Joaquin Venustiano Noris

Notes:

At the wedding were the witnesses Horacio Hinerio and Maria Antonita Echevarra.

Joaquin married Olga Echevarria 18 Oct 1941, Nogales, Santa Cruz County, Arizona, USA. Olga (daughter of Francisco Echevarria Salcido and Anna Maria Calvo Sandoval) was born 21 Sep 1922, Ures, Caborca, Sonora, Mexico; died 24 Jun 1997, Nogales, Sonora, Mexico; was buried , Nogales, Sonora, Mexico. [Group Sheet]

1. Patricia Noris
2. Living
3. Living
4. Living

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Birth:
Source: FHL 101109733 Page 1487.

Died:
Based on Pedigree Chart 7.30.1986 of J.R. Astorga.

Genaro married Maria Matilde Bertha Bouttier Sibrian 27 Sep 1907. Maria (daughter of Dr. Leopoldo José Numa Bouttier Fletes and Francisca "Pachita" Sibrian / Cibrian Aragon) was born 14 Mar 1886, Rosario, Sinaloa, Mexico; died 19 Apr 1951, Rosario, Sinaloa, Mexico. [Group Sheet]

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At the recording of her name, her grandparents were stated as Leopoldo Bouttier and Ignacia Fletes (both already deceased, they were 'materna de los finados') and witnesses Juan Jose Cibrian and Paula Aragon.

One location where Matilde Bertha Bouttier Sibrian lived was 727 W. 58 St. Los Angeles, California during 1939 when her mother visited her based on her mothers border crossing 6 June 1939.

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Consent of parents for the Marriage of Joaquin Noris and Fransisca Macias

Record of Engagement of Joaquin Noris and Fransisca Macias.

This was translated 25 years ago - Not sure who did the translating.

November 28, 1979

Jesus Macias, father, of Fransisca Macias gives permission for her to marry.
About the bride: Fransisca moved from Mazatlan, Mexico, 6 years ago, 1873, and is 18 years old.
Her parents are Jesus Macias and Ester Padilla, both living.

The bridge groom, Joaquin Noris, is 23 years old. His father is Genaro Noris and his mother is Ignacia Tirado, both parents dead.

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Record of marriage of Joaquin Noris and Fransisca Macias from computer, hard to read the writing.

Translation from computer
In the parish church at Rosario February three, thousand eight hundred eighty I Priest Trinidad Cortes, the priest in charge of this jurisdiction upon the information style, the three council; the confession and communion married veiled at first bridal to Joaquin Noris with Francisca Macias, I took them by the hands on twenty-four of December and see him in February this year. Were godparents Téofilo Noris and Victoriana Noris. Witnesses of this act known as Morcora Sanas and Manuel Cañedo, that I give Notary number.

Joaquin married Francisca Macias de Noris Padilla 3 Feb 1880, Rosario, Sinaloa, Mexico. Francisca (daughter of Jesus Macias del Rio and Maria Ester Padilla Rodrigues) was born 1862, Mazatlan, Sinaloa, Mexico; died Oct 1952, Mexico City, Mexico City, Mexico; was buried , Mexico City, Mexico City, Mexico. [Group Sheet]

Notes:

At the marriage were 'Padrinos' Tiofilo Noris and Victoriana Noris. 'Testigos' were Sabas Moscoso.

Birth:
Based on Pedigree Chart 7.30.1986 of J.R. Astorga.

Died:
Based on Pedigree Chart 7.30.1986 of J.R. Astorga.

Notes:

According to this website https://chaikobarraza.wordpress.com/page/2/
Leopoldo studied medicine in Mexico City. Degree in Mexico.
In the marriage record it states that the parents of Fransisca Cibrian 'Juan Jose Cibrian and Paula Aragon' were deceased. Also deceased were the parents of Leopoldo Bouttier 'Leopoldo Bouttier and Ygnacia Fletes.'

Birth:
Born about 1861 according to marriage record which states he was 23 years old in October 1884.

Name:
It has been mentioned that his name 'Numa' may also be Newman.

Leopoldo married Francisca "Pachita" Sibrian / Cibrian Aragon 31 Oct 1884, San Francisco de Asís, Escuinapa, Sinaloa, Mexico. Francisca (daughter of Juan José Cibrian Garcia and Maria Paula de Jesus Aragon Beltran) was born Abt 1865, Rosario, Sinaloa, Mexico; was buried , Marmol, Sinaloa, Mexico. [Group Sheet]

Notes:

Border Crossing
Name: Francisca Sibrian Vda De Bouttier
Arrival Date: 17 Jun 1939
Arrival Port: Nogales
Birth Date: 1865
Birthplace: El Rosario Sin
Birth Country: Mexico
Gender: Female
Departure Contact Name: Son Leopoldo Bouttier
Arrival Contact Name: Daughter Matilda Bouttier De Nous
Photograph Included: No
Affiliate Record Identifier: Azm1769_72-5501

NARA microfilm publication M1769, roll 72, National Archives and Records Administration, Washington D.C.

Francisca "Panchita Sibrian Aragon was born at the "Hacienda de San Rafael" near Rosario, Mexico. This information was provided by the grand-daughter Ernestina Sibrian in June 2014.
In the marriage record it states that the parents of Fransisca Cibrian 'Juan Jose Cibrian and Paula Aragon' were deceased. Also deceased were the parents of Leopoldo Bouttier 'Leopoldo Bouttier and Ygnacia Fletes.'

Birth:
Rafael Bouttier said that the place where Leonardo and his daughter Ernestina and Francisca "Pacheta" Sibrian were all born was called ‘Hacienda de San Rafael’ or also known as 'El Rancho Maniscal' which is east of El Rosario about 1-2 miles.

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At the christening were 'Padrinos' Juan Miguel Reisgo and Carmen Rivera.
At the marriage were 'Testigos' Angel Lopez Portillo and Manuela Meclina.

Jose married Maria Ygnacia Triado Acosta 21 Aug 1856, Mazatlan, Sinaloa, Mexico. Maria (daughter of Jose Florencio Tirado Sarmiento and Maria Josefa Acosta) was born 20 Jan 1832, Rosario, Sinaloa, Mexico; died Bef 1879. [Group Sheet]

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'Padrinos' were Gil Fletes and Maria Ygnacia Tirado.

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At the marriage were 'Padrinos' Jesus Asturias and Rosa Trias and 'Testigos' Santiago Gamboa and Senon Virgen.

"México, matrimonios, 1570-1950," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NDX1-ZNY : accessed 29 Jun 2014), Francisco Macias in entry for Jesus Macias and Juana Arce, 02 Nov 1856; citing Santa Iglesia, Mazatlán, Sinaloa, Mexico, reference ; FHL microfilm 1652022.

Jesus married Maria Ester Padilla Rodrigues. Maria (daughter of José Francisco Padilla de Osuna and Maria Dolores Rodrigues Lerma) was christened 20 Oct 1840, Rosario, Sinaloa, Mexico; died 3 Jun 1897. [Group Sheet]

Notes:

"México, bautismos, 1560-1950," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NBF8-SLX : accessed 29 Jun 2014), Ma. Ester Padilla Rodrigues, 20 Oct 1840; citing NUESTRA SENORA DEL ROSARIO,ROSARIO,SINALOA,MEXICO, reference ; FHL microfilm 676097.


Probably named after a sister born two years earlier:

"México, bautismos, 1560-1950," index, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NBF8-SL8 : accessed 29 Jun 2014), Ma. Ester Padilla Rodrigues, 20 Jun 1838; citing NUESTRA SENORA DEL ROSARIO,ROSARIO,SINALOA,MEXICO, reference ; FHL microfilm 676097.

At the christening was 'Padrino' Mariana Sarniento.

Name:
In the christening record her first name starts with 'Ma' which could be abbreviated for 'Maria' which is the same name as her sister that was born 2 years earlier.

Notes:

Leopoldo's brother Carlos made appeal to the U.S. government to aid in the release of Leopoldo from prison in Mazatlan to no avail.
Leopoldo came from France in 1840 with the title of Doctor, based on the following website http://chaikobarraza.wordpress.com/page/2/

05232018 Entry of information: According to a descendant of Leopoldo (Alberto Bouttier)....Leopoldo Bouttier "The French" Bouttier Ponce may have attending the University in Paris, France (Sorbonne University) which did offer a degree in medicine.

07222018 Additional information regarding Leopoldo, his brother Carlos "Charles" and their mother Juana and father Juan Baptiste Bouttier; it may be that Juan Baptiste Bouttier knew Ygnacio Fletes from Tepic, Nayarit where there were plans to build a textile factory in Tepic, Nayarit and if Juan traveled to Mexico, he may have met Juana and then Juana my have traveled to France where Leopoldo and Carlos "Charles" Bouttier were born. Later Ygnacio Fletes met with Leopoldo and Carlos who helped with the operation of the textile factory near Tepic, Nayarit, Mexico. Leopoldo Bouttier married one of Ygnacio Fletes daugthers. Carlos Bouttier married a lady that worked at the textile plant in Tepic, Nayarit.

07162019 In the "Chronicles of a Life" 2 September 2009 it mentions that "Leopoldo Bouttier who was an employee of Ignacio Fletes and who, of course, fled to Belgium along with his brother Carlos for not agreeing with the republic and on his return brought machinery, textiles and Belgium technicians to set up an industry in Tepic."

02142020 Additional research is needed regarding the possibility of Leopoldo Bouttier being married to Jesus aria Ignacia Basilia.

Birth:
According to Polo Bouttier, Leopoldo Jose "The French" Bouttier Ponce was born in Le Harve, Normandy, France; the same location as his first brother Carlos. Also the original birth date entry was 1846 but has now been changed to Abt. 1826 to be more aligned with family birth dates.

Died:
The original entry date of death was about 1867 based on an article written 23 September 2011 found on the following web address:
https://chaikobarraza.wordpress.com/2011/09/

10.14.2021 In the death record of Ygnacia Cibrian Garcia, whose parents are Joseph Maria Leonardo de la Trinidad Cibrian de la Riva y Rada and Maria Francisca Garcia, it mentions Leopoldo Bouttier from "Havre" who advised the local civil office of the death of Ygnacia Cibrina Garcia. Leopoldo Bouttier signed the death record. Polo believes the person who signed it was his son "Leopoldo Jose Numa Bouttier Fletes."

Leopoldo married Maria de Jesus Ygnacia Basilia Fletes Nuñez Abt 1860. Maria (daughter of Jose Ygnacio Fletes Rico and Maria de Jesus Josefa de la Trinidad Nuñez Gaxiola) was born 20 Jun 1816, Rosario, Sinaloa, Mexico; died 26 Aug 1893, Rosario, Sinaloa, Mexico. [Group Sheet]

Notes:

At the christening were her godparents Salvador Tirado and Gertrudis Nuñez, who was also her aunt.
Source: "Chronicle of a Life" 2 September 2009.

Birth:
Godparents names are Salvado Tirado and Gertrudis Nunes.

Name:
Christening record states the name as "Maria de Jusus Ygnacia Basilla Fletes Nunes."

Notes:

Married:
Based on birth of first son Leopoldo Jose Numa Bouttier Fletes. However, currently there's no fiche film for marriage verification.

Notes:

The 'Padrinos' Victoriana Cibrian, the mother of Teofilo Noris Cibrian and Don Blas Garcia which may be a relative of the mother of Juan Jose Cibrian Garcia (perhaps a brother). It appears to also mention Sebastian Garcia.

Name:
On 09262019 the middle name "Diciderio" was removed due to lack of documentation that it is a name of a person.

Died:
"México, Sinaloa, Registro Civil, 1861-1929," database with images, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-C9T6-Z723-J?cc=2290241&wc=4V3F-BT2%3A1601392355%2C1601392385 : 14 December 2020), Rosario (El Rosario) > Defunciones (El Rosario) 1862-1882 > image 1220 of 2434; Archivo Historico de Sinaloa (Sinaloa Historic Archives), Culiacan. Film 101129527 image 1220.

Juan married Maria Paula de Jesus Aragon Beltran. Maria (daughter of Enemecio Aragon and Maria Paula Beltran Guerra) was born 29 Jan 1839, Rosario, Sinaloa, Mexico; was christened 15 Feb 1839, Rosario, Sinaloa, Mexico; died 5 Sep 1867, Rosario, Sinaloa, Mexico. [Group Sheet]

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At the christening were 'Padrinos' Marianila Loacia.